
This article was taken from Interactive Focusing Therapy by Janet Klein, Psy.D. .
Please see the resources at "Order Materials: if you wish to place an order for this book. Introduction Interactive Focusing arose from my own
Focusing-based partnership practice because . . . Focusing, and especially Focusing in pairs or partnership,
had the quality of an interaction but came with the injunction that it wasn't to be an interaction. In the
early 1980s, when I was learning Focusing, we were told partnerships or exchanges were to be treated as
and to remain transactions . . . a complete and separate transaction for each party. During the late
1980s, I was looking for some way to connect deeply and meaningfully with others. I was looking for an
interaction. I treasured Focusing as that thing which allowed my deeper or unknown or confused parts to
come into focus. Through Focusing I was touching into my core in a way I hadnÕt previously known . . .
through the inner experiencing of it. That I would join the two, Focusing and my desire to connect in a deep
and authentic way with another person, just seemed a matter of time. Some time after developing and
practicing the Interactive Process, it occurred to me that Interactive Focusing had the essentials of a
therapy mode . . . partly because it is obvious and partly because I took my doctorate in clinical psychology,
so that is one of the lenses through which I look. Gendlin has described the use of Focusing in therapy in
his book Focusing-Oriented Psychotherapy (The Guilford Press, 1996), so if this were just a rehash
of his work, it would be superfluous. It isn't. What makes it different and unique? It reaps the rewards of
the interaction. About the model- In the first place, it is about forming and maintaining
relationships. The therapist is to be fully present as a human being and not just as a therapist. This is
fleshed out in the chapter titled "Relationship in Therapy: Between Therapist and Client." This may be the
first time the client has had the opportunity to experience a healing relationship so it is essential that it be
genuine. Interactive Focusing makes room for empathy in a way heretofore not explored, both
through the experience-by-experience healing listening and the empathic moment. Healing
listening is bodysense-to-bodysense communication. The empathic moment is the "golden moment" of the
interaction, the moment of concentrated, deepened empathy during which the entire relationship often
shifts. The model includes a relationship check which I call an anomaly in relationships -- the
feared and simultaneously desired checking in with one another to see where you are in the relationship
with each other and with yourself in this new moment after having shared yourself so deeply. It is a
model of balance. It is non-authoritarian and non-hierarchical. It empowers the client to give the
therapist/listener guidance in the form of feedback (Focuser-as-teacher) about the level and
accuracy of empathic listening. This seminal feature brings the pair into empathic alignment . . . from the
client's side. Common sense tells us that it is only the client who can help the therapist to be an empathic
listener for this particular client . . . as only this client knows when she feels empathically heard. She is her
own best expert. This feedback offers relief for the therapist/listener . . . who is relieved
of the ever present feeling in many therapists that they need to be "perfect listeners." The therapist
attempts this with only her intuition as a guide, an often imperfect guide . . . or by using an "accepted" but
possibly wooden listening technique developed within a certain orientation. In this new way, however, the
listening process becomes a partnership: mutual, balanced and fresh in each new moment. Healing
relationships- Because Interactive Focusing is used in relationship building, it serves this function in
therapy, also. It is rare if not unique to find a therapy that is used as the therapeutic mode and that is also
an "in real life" way of being. By this I mean the therapist uses the elements of Interactive Focusing in the
therapy with the client, and as the client imbibes it, she then takes it outside the therapy hour to use it in
her everyday life. In the chapter titled "Relationship in Therapy," I discuss how to build a healthy
therapeutic relationship during the therapy process using Interactive Focusing, and it is this healthy
relationship that can serve as the model for life outside of therapy. In the chapter titled "Unilateral
Interactive Focusing," I show how a client who has learned Interactive Focusing during her therapy takes it
out into her world to process a difficult situation with her daughter. Her daughter doesn't have any
knowledge of Interactive Focusing. Again, in "The Single-Wing in Therapy," as the client is listened to
empathically in therapy, she learns to listen empathically to others. One of the most enjoyable chapters
to write was "What I Value About You." It helps turn the spotlight on the necessity of processing the
positive in relationships and that this canÕt be ignored on the way to deepening intimacy. "Interactive
Focusing Therapy with a 'Deaf and Mute' Couple" also uses the example of processing the positive. I spend
two chapters on processing the positive because I feel it is so important but so often overlooked or
disregarded by the therapist. About the book- To teach Interactive Focusing Therapy, I use
dialogues to flesh out the teaching process. I intersperse these dialogues with teaching points which I insert
as footnotes at the point of the experience itself within the dialogue. I learned that teaching during the
experience itself offers the most powerful way of facilitating learning . . . what I call experiential teaching.
When I was teaching listening at the Focusing Institute in Chicago, I realized that the student-listener
needed to get feedback during the listening process, not afterward when it could no longer do much good . . .
when it was dead and cold and took on the specter of criticism rather than feedback. I have modeled the
teaching in this book on that same principle, coming out of the immediacy of the experience. In this
book, I describe the basics of Interactive Focusing Therapy. I have constructed dialogues which I use to
present what this therapy would look like with individuals, couples, families and groups. I show how to
establish a sound and healthy therapeutic relationship. I introduce a new form of supervision, one that
allows the therapist to find her own right way of becoming and being a therapist. I pay attention to how the
client will take Interactive Focusing into her world outside of therapy. In "Supervision in Therapy," I
show how Interactive Focusing Therapy fits into other forms of therapy, allaying the fear that the therapist
has to learn a whole new way of therapy to replace what she is already doing. Rather, this can become an
important, synergistic addition. I have asked some therapists who practice Interactive Focusing Therapy
to join me in presenting their actual cases. I found these to be unique and valuable additions, each in their
own way. Some field work- Interactive Focusing is based on the premise that people
who have a healing way of processing their differences so they came out more whole and healed rather than
diminished have relationships that will grow and thrive . . . and conversely, those in relationship who donÕt
have a healing way of processing differences will have a stuck relationship. Now let me tell you
what I have unearthed in some field work I am doing which has given me a great conviction about the need
for Interactive Focusing and Interactive Focusing Therapy. I wanted to test an assumption I made that
couples who have been in relationship for some time would have developed their own way of processing
their differences. To set it in context, I am looking closely at conflict healing, a phrase I purposely choose
over conflict resolution. Ironically . . . it is at the point of conflict that couples might come into closest
empathic alignment and caring . . . a mature kind of love. The field work takes the form of interviews which
simply asks each member of the couple to get back the experience of a recent argument, and to speak from
the experience itself to tell me what happened. I interviewed each partner separately. I am
interviewing these couples trying to find exactly what processes they have naturally developed over their
years together to move through their conflicts or differences. None of the couples I interviewed
had developed a way of processing conflicts that led to a healing and more intimate relationship. In
fact, as I interviewed the couples, I wondered what made their arguments seem like war. One woman
shared with me that during an argument her husband would pause and thoughtfully say to her, "You know,
I'm not your enemy." What makes it feel like that, though? We grow up with relationship "war
language." We refer to our boundaries as borders which need to be secured. We say we need to defend
ourselves. We have introduced "conflict resolution" theory into couples counseling. The concepts of
winning and being right are ingrained. A friend told me she heard a man famous for developing a well known
self-help model say, "we would kill to be right." In my interviews I have unearthed the following.
Couples react to conflict as generals react to war: "What can I do to win?" As you can imagine, this
creates enemies rather than allies; and when someone experiences the thrill of victory, someone else must
experience the sting of defeat. Let me share with you what went on between the couples I interviewed:
Generally, I have found that the immediate goal of each partner is different. Because the goal is
different, it felt to me like the couples I interviewed were in the same ballpark but playing two different
games. For example, let me tell you about the first couple I interviewed. Ron is very rational. He wanted
an explanation . . . why is this happening, why is she behaving in such a way or holding such an opinion. And
maybe with this there is a not so secret desire to persuade her to "just see things the way I do . . . and do
things the way I see." Annette is more intuitive. She wanted the hurt to go away and wanted to get to an
apology . . . preferably from her spouse; however, she would be willing to apologize herself if she could just
discover an acceptable reason why . . . and any reason would do to get over the present threat. Then things
would be back to normal, and they could go to bed feeling they are okay with one another "like any civilized
couple should." Lenny and Claire had the confusing and circular dynamic where he felt "discounted" and
she felt "unheard" when they argued. To counteract her feeling unheard, Claire became more intense and
explosive. As her agitation increased, she became even more vocal but attacking and destructive at the
same time. To counteract his feelings of depreciation or being attacked and destroyed, Lenny maximized
himself by minimizing her . . . thus indeed leading her to feel minimized . . . unheard if not invisible. Mike and
Emily confounded each other by silence and volubility. He was quiet. She was vocal. Mike defended
himself, his core self, from Emily behind a wall of silence or apparent Gandhi-like, non-violent resistance if
not protest. At the same time Mike was defending himself against himself with his silence. He was afraid
that he would say something "he might regret" in the heat of the argument. Then he would see himself as
the unacceptable aggressor . . . no longer "mister nice-guy." Emily said she thought their children saw them
as "bad cop, good cop." She was angry about being labeled the "bad cop" and called Mike
passive-aggressive. He did a lot of "bad" things, but he did it quietly, and they were more subtle. Emily
defended herself through copious words and well-crafted explanations, demanding that things be her "right"
way, but she wound up feeling angry and shut-out by Mike's silent resistance and occasional lack of
conforming to her "rightness." She injured herself, simultaneously, with a critic attack that left her
feeling guilty about taking away Mike's freedom to be who and what he wanted to be . . . saddling herself with
feelings of guilt as well as feeling like his wicked jailer. Emily said that the worst part was when she
started disliking herself for it. Though they had been married for nearly forty years and had been through
countless arguments, they both worried that the other would finally leave as the result of one of these
arguments. Another couple told me that they rarely argued. The wife explained it by saying that "you
tend to unify when you have a common enemy." Sadly and unfortunately, it was their children who had
become their common enemy . . . so the value of unity at this price is certainly dubious. This last couple gave
me the quirky idea that if couples could make the argument the enemy instead of each other, maybe they
would, indeed, find a way of uniting and healing. In the interviews, I was struck by the fact that at the
point of conflict, the couples generally treated the relationship in terms of "me" rather than "we." This led
to the coupleÕs pulling apart rather than pulling together. So, if you can imagine a two-person shell in crew
and each person is stroking separately instead of in unison, this would give you the image of a typical
process, or lack thereof, in which the couples I observed engaged. There was, however, one seemingly
shared goal. But even this turned out to be only an illusion of cooperation. In a relationship where the
couple still cared about one another, the overarching goal appeared to be to remove the thorn in the side or
stop the pain they were experiencing. They typically chose a less healthy way of bringing this about . . . which
turned the argument into a more or less virulent debate and again introduced the principle of winning at all
costs. This is how the virulent debate tactic goes: Winning will allow one party to arrive at internal
consonance . . . that is . . . I got things to be the way I needed them to be in order to feel okay inside myself
in the relationship. The winner perceives that the external dissonance or what has come between them
dissolves when she feels okay. The winner also assumes that since the event has been decided by a win, the
losing party will accept the defeat and this will remove his internal discord. When win/lose is
actually lose/lose . . . unless- What you have probably already guessed is that in a win/lose situation,
neither party truly arrives at a sense of peace . . . or neither party wins and, in the end, both lose. One
such lose/lose scenario is: Jean and Andy are engaged in bantering over the issue of what to buy at the
grocery store. In mock seriousness Jean says, "I donÕt want you to even come into the store with me. You
always buy things that just sit on the shelf or rot in the fridge." Andy teases her saying, "I'll just get a
couple of things." Although it starts as banter, it soon becomes a serious argument. Andy realizes he
has gone too far with his sarcasm . . . crossed a line, and Jean is now really hurt and angry with him. At this
point he is starting to feel himself descend into his black hole of depression and angst about himself and
what he's done. He also realizes that he is about to lose the argument, and he has never been able to
tolerate defeat without feeling destroyed. To get rid of that black hole feeling he flippantly says, "Just
kidding. Can't you take a joke?" Andy feels better, but Jean feels worse. A critic voice comes in to
tell her she is overbearing, always harping at Andy . . . and so on. It has hit an old and very sore nerve in
Jean about being minimized, not being heard for who she is, not being taken seriously. With her extreme
frustration of not being heard comes anger and resentment. She withdraws to lick her wounds into the
silence of her defensive shell, and Andy exits the room feeling better about himself but vaguely sensing that
a growing distance is being created between them. Neither is aware of what is really happening inside of
themselves as well as between them. But they are aware that things arenÕt going well . . . and they may need
help. It is probably true that during the heat of battle, it is very difficult if not impossible to switch to a
higher level of processing. This is where Jean and Andy were, initially. However, the argument may go in
stages. In the first stage Jean and Andy turned to the kind of warfare they had been practicing for most of
their life together . . . their ancient and established patterns or habits of offense and defense that well
predated their marriage. If, however, there is another kind of process to turn to as the argument ages and
cools, Jean and Andy may be able to process the conflict in a healing way. What I talk about in this book is
the healing way in relationship. Incidentally, Jean and Andy were in therapy and learning how to process
their differences using Interactive Focusing. The outcome was that, after things cooled down, they began a
process that revealed to Andy his destructive behaviors which were evoked by the fear of the black hole.
He realized that he saved himself but threw Jean to the wolves. This was so contrary to how he pictured
himself, an honorable and decent human being. He was appalled and learned to recognize when this started
to happen so he could do something about it. What came into focus for Jean was her hurt, her
vulnerability and her typical reaction, the withdrawing behaviors which shut out all possibility of
reconciliation. She defended herself by walling herself off, but she also walled Andy out. She didn't want
to do that, but, out of habit, she did it involuntarily, without any conscious awareness. Together, with
this new awareness, they worked out a way to process their problems and build a closer relationship.
Before, they had been trapped in a pattern that headed toward a wider and wider separation. Now, it
wasn't the classic fairy tale "and they lived happily ever after," but they worked hard at the marriage.
They processed the problems as they arose . . . and arise they did. But they have developed an intimacy
neither of them could have guessed at without a healing process. Acknowledging two theorists who
have greatly influenced me- When sitting down to write this book, it struck me that I was pretty
sure about what I wanted for my clients, but I wasn't really sure what I wanted as a therapist. As I wrote,
this became clearer. Coming from the influence of Carl Rogers' client-centered therapy and Eugene
Gendlin's experiential therapy, I had two things firmly in mind. In client-centered therapy it has long been
held that healing is a self-directed process. The client is her own best expert. This observation was the
particular brilliance of Rogers, the founder of client-centered psychology. This was a key point in moving
away from the medical model of psychiatry which was quite hierarchical and talked in terms of the
"expert" doctor curing the sick patient. Gendlin added the insight that each organism knows how it should
have been for herself. We intuitively know this. Our bodies know this. As Gendlin indicates, this knowing
comes into focus through the bodily felt sense. As a therapist, I trust the client to direct the process
and to know how it should have been for her. I am there to listen, to keep company and to hold a safe space
for the client to find her own right way. I will listen empathically so she can feel heard, and so she can
listen to herself empathically. I will be caring and accepting. This is what I believe helps the client become
all that she can be . . . live the fullest life she can. For myself, I discovered the "how to" through Interactive
Focusing. Finally, I've attempted to address therapy in the full-round- Though this is a slim
volume, you will see that it is ambitious in scope. I have addressed the full-round of therapy. When I
began, I didn't intend to be so extensive. It simply evolved as I was writing. It is gratifying to see how
complete Interactive Focusing is . . . though not surprising. I have, from the first, realized what a deep,
natural process it is . . . and what great potential it offers for human development and healing relationships.

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